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An English rose and a Continental eagle ??

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Any ideas please?

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Hello Stuart.
The first time I see a lead seal like that I will search in the evening.

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Merci Michel - The little mark between the shields is very interesting. A type of privy mark?

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It is very possible Wink

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1 - some thing that is not an English lead seal, coat of arms with the back rest under the eagle crown of the Holy Roman Empire, lead is from a city of the empire (Germany, Belgium, Netherlands ,France).



2 - the arms are under the eagle crest of alliance (Personal arms - not town's armouries) associating a size shield with a herniated shield bearing the same colors (I have not found similar armouries). between a merchant's probably monogram.

3- Rose may be a reference to the product (like english lead seal), as can find it on a lead from the city of Alkmaar with the association: pink / Alkmaar arnouries) see :
http://wf4.nl/Engels/paginaSjoerd/sjoerdlakenlodenengels.htm#lood2

4 - Rose can also be the emblem of a city, there are many in Germany and other countries :
Rosendaal (gelderland NL)
- Dielfurt, Eldagsen, Geisligen, Gochsheim, Lippstadt,Lucka, Marktschorgast, Otweiler, Rosenfeld, Rosenheim, Vierraden, Wldenberg in Germany.
- Haguenau in Alsace, France.
Lippstadt and Eldagsen  are possible because they were the era of major trading centers.

See also the coins of Haguenau combining the eagle of the Holy Empire with the rose :






This will not be easy to make a certain attribution, it would find the arms listed under the eagle



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A lot of good work there Michel. I was thinking of the Holy Roman Empire in the Low Countries. As you say we need to find those arms but strange that one is 'per bend' (tranché) and the other is a mirror image 'per bend sinister' (taillé) ?

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This is what I meant (taille and tranche) but my translator is not great   Embarassed
it is also a shame that we do not have colors.

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Language problems and colour problems ... It's difficult enough without them!!! dilemne Smile

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When there are two coast of arms generally speaking "arms of alliance", is this the case?


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Arms_of_alliance?uselang=fr

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Utrecht for the taillé one? Maybe I should put it up on one of the Dutch forums.

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